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Conversation With a Hyper Grace Teacher


1. When you say things that are not scriptural or seem not to be it is the duty of the members of the church to hold the teacher accountable by being bereans and seeing if the things the

teacher says are so:

BUT the strategy of a paranoid false teacher is to tell people that it isn't loving to disagree.  Or it isn't loving to be looking for false things to jump on.


We only should assume the  worst when we consistently see false teaching.  I want to see all the errors of anyone's teaching always.  But I don't assume they are purposefully in the ditch.

It is a product of wrong believing.  It is a product of double mindedness.





People within spiritually abusive systems are wounded and tired.  It sucks the life out of people.



2. How is it showing graciness when you do not acknowledge those that have served in a big way in the church and in some circumstances in fact outwardly show signs of being irritated with

them from the pulpit.  Referring to people that do not want to be a part of your church group as narcisistic?  Where is the love in that?


3. When you mock other Christians from the stage for saying the Our Father prayer?  It is the spirit that you have demonstrated on stage that is the problem.

We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers against the rulers of the darkness of this world.

So this is not a war I have with a person but a war with an antichrist spirit, or a spirit of error, or a spirit of pride or all of the above depending uppon what we are dealing with.


4. Where did you come up with the information you presented that the Lord's prayer is just a fulfillment of scripture and not instructional and a prayer we aren't to use that as a model.

And the conclusion you came to was delivered with a mocking spirit.


Spirit of error is also a paranoid spirit.  There is not peace but chaos in your speech.

Proverbs 27:6 KJV
Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

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Manipulation From the Pulpits - End Times Deception


If you love the truth you can be spared believing the great delusion that God will send.


NEW AGE DECEPTION IN THE CHURCHES TODAY

Indoctrination is needed to educate people out of the classic biblical viewpoint into a "new thing", as follows:

"COUNTER-BELIEF"

The Bible as key to all doctrine, both personally and in the churches.

Salvation and relationship with God is on a personal, individual basis.

Conversion, being born-again, is the only basis for Christian life and discipleship.

The Church and Christianity always has been and remains a minority movement, under persecution and duress, hated by the world and the devil.

Purity of personal life, adherence to biblical commands regarding personal behaviour and church order, that we should conduct ourselves in his presence in a decent, morally correct, responsible, orderly, and reverent manner.

Separation from worldly habits and people, while seeking to reach them with the gospel.

Separation from all other religions and cults, Jesus being the ONLY Way.

Evangelism being a person-to-person testimony of the gospel truths, good works being only an adjunct to this. Good works unable to save or enhance our standing with God.

Political involvement limited to the resistance [if possible] of unbiblical and damaging legislation, and the support of honest, godly men in office.

Social change in the local area to be prayed for and worked for if possible, but understanding that change is only really possible after a change of heart, when people are born again.

Worship, prayer, teaching and all other Christian activities the responsibility of ALL believers, not just an elite ruling caste, or priesthood.

Accountability and correction needed in the Church, based on the purity of a man's doctrine as well as his behaviour as a Christian. All Christians being equal in the sight of God, no man can claim immunity from examination or correction by ANY other member of the Body.

Physical, mental, emotional and spiritual happenings to be tested daily against the word of God, knowing that the devil can deceive us. No confidence in such things as indicators of our spiritual standing with God, faith being the key, not feelings.

Doctrine:

Literal interpretation of scripture, including prophecies of the endtimes.

Literal/future interpretation of the book of Revelation.

Pre-millennial understanding of the Return of Jesus.

Literal kingdom set up by and for Jesus at his Return.

The Church as God's servants to do His bidding. Tasks given to believers include evangelism,
teaching, pastoring and nurturing believers in the faith.

Spiritual warfare as the need to be aware of and resist the opposition of satan and his hosts on a personal level or for a fellowship group.

Belief in a great endtimes apostasy, a coming reign of a personal antichrist and the persecution of all that is of God.

Belief in the divine intervention of God himself to rescue believers in the endtimes.

The thousand-year reign of Christ is literal and in the future, after his return.

Israel has not been "replaced" by the church, nor is it eternally doomed, nor has it forfeited all its promises to the Church, but God will literally fulfill his OT promises to the nation and land of Israel.

The Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity, is God Himself and is not under the control of men and women. He is not a force, power or essence.

Spiritual gifts are allocated to men and women according to God's will and wisdom and are to be used under God's direction only. They are for the help and service and edification of the

Church as a whole and others whom God desires to help, and are no indication of a person's moral or spiritual standing in God. No one person is more "anointed" than any other, for the only "anointing" is of Jesus Christ and those to whom He wills to impart it. No man can impart his own gift or salvation or another, and especially not to an unbeliever.

Spiritual gifts are separate and unconnected to human talents or natural gifts, and no man or woman can inherit naturally or be born with God's spiritual gifts.

World events are set on a course towards greater and greater evil and no real change is possible until the return of Christ.

Belief in a literal heaven and hell, and the eternal judgement of wickedness.

I am not insisting, of course, that everyone holds to a particular set of beliefs. I am trying to point out the basic differences between the long-held and cherished doctrinal and behavioural norms, and the "new paradigm". This takes many forms, but a few beliefs are as follows:

"TARGET-BELIEF"

Doctrine obtained as much by direct spiritual revelation and prophecies from "anointed" leaders as from the written words of the Bible - dependence on the Bible as the sole measure of doctrine regarded as old-fashioned and restrictive

Salvation and relationship with God only relevant in a community context. Submission to leadership of the local church essential to salvation; group/national salvation possible through spiritual warfare and other techniques.

Church-going rather than a personal faith seen as the bedrock of the new churches; salvation seen as progressive, not essential to discipleship. Obedience the key.

The Church and Christianity is to become the major guiding force of the New World Order and victory over all evil on earth is inevitable and achievable..

Purity is relative, cultural and ethnic differences must be taken into account, biblical commands must be interpreted in a modern-day context and "God cannot be put into a box" regarding what He demands of human behaviour and church order.

Separation from worldly habits and people is "gnostic" and a heresy that must be discarded. There is no difference between sacred and secular.

Separation from all other religions and cults is counter-productive to work towards peace and righteousness on earth. We must practise reconciliation and work together for the good of mankind, regardless of creed or religion.

Evangelism is a mixture of prayer-walking, spiritual warfare against forces of evil, helping others, and attracting them to churches to become discipled. Good works are commanded by God to help the poor and oppressed.

Political involvement is essential to transform society and institute God's laws on the earth.

Social change is not only possible but essential to the plan to alter people's perception of the Church and make them partners in the Plan. Telling people the bible truths and talking about sin is unwise, as it may put them off.

Worship, prayer, teaching and other Christian activities are the responsibility of the anointed leadership only, and all other believers are to obey the rule of their shepherds and elders.

The leaders themselves need to submit to higher authorities both locally and nationally.
Accountability is to your personal shepherd only. No minister, ministry or individual believer may question or correct a leader's doctrine or activities. Correction is only needed when believers step out of line and rebel against their elders. Anyone raising doctrinal questions is suspect, phariseeical and a danger to the church. Leaders must vow never to criticise any other leader, no matter how serious their sin or heresy.

Physical, mental, emotional and spiritual happenings are welcomed as being from God. They must not be examined, but simply accepted. The more manifestations we have, the more anointed and spiritual we are in God's eyes. We should seek to experience something at every meeting. If we never have manifestations we must be lacking in some way.


Doctrine:


Allegorical/symbolic interpretation of scripture, including prophecies of the endtimes.

Post-millennial or A-millennial understanding of the Return of Jesus. Or even a symbolic interpretation of the "coming glory" as a spiritual return.

Kingdom as a New Order set up by and for the Church.

The Church as God's warriors, judges, government and rulers with authority to bring in the global kingdom-rule by force if necessary.

Spiritual warfare as the necessary pulling down of the heavenly strongholds in order to set up the kingdom of God on earth.

Rejection and derision of the endtimes apostasy, the personal antichrist and the Rapture.

The thousand-year reign of Christ is symbolic of the Church on earth or in the future, reigning in perfection and completion, victorious over all.

Israel has been "replaced" by the church, who have inherited all her OT promises.

The Holy Spirit is an "it", a power, essence, wind, fire or invisible force. It can reliably and always be brought and caused to show itself if certain conditions are met.

Spiritual gifts are imparted one to another by anointed leaders and other people who lay on hands for this purpose. Even sinners and unbelievers can be persuaded to receive "the Spirit" and display spiritual manifestations.

Spiritual gifts include human talents such as music, art, or eloquence; these can be inherited through the bloodline of a person's family as well as imparted by angels, other people and

leaders. Included in these gifts are psychic powers such as telepathy, and precognition.
The world may become more evil, but Christianity and the Church will also become more powerful so that evil will be overthrown eventually and righteousness will prevail over all. World events are set on a course towards a climax in which Christians will win the battle over evil.
Heaven and Hell exist, but are symbolic or spiritual descriptions of the state of a believer or non-believer. Heaven is on earth when the believer is perfected and receives his glorified spiritual body, and Hell is being excluded from God's love. Hell and the damned will be complete eradicated in due course, and even Lucifer may be reconciled to God.
I could go on. However, you can already see that almost every foundational belief upheld by Christians and the churches throughout the Church Age is being challenged and overturned by a "new paradigm" belief.




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